The Island 28

The Listening Earth

The earth listens with a depth no human mind can contain. It receives every step, every sorrow, every unspoken wish. Those who walk with intention leave a question that the world answers.

At this point, CoPlot has made it painfully obvious that Renate and David need to upgrade their wardrobe and focus more on hygiene and island frolicking to maintain good health. Thus we begin Part II of The Island. AI generated image partially influenced by the author.

David woke before the sun reached the hut. A faint breeze moved through the woven walls, carrying the scent of damp earth and the forest. He turned toward Renate and felt a jolt of concern.

Her skin was flushed and felt hot. Her breath came in uneven waves. A sheen of sweat clung to her face and chest.

He touched her shoulder lightly. Her skin felt hot and damp. A thought rose in him with unwelcome clarity. The island, as healthy as it is, can still carry sickness they hadn’t developed immunity to. She may have caught something in the forest or the water.

Renate shifted in her sleep. Her brow tightened. Her lips moved as if she were speaking to someone he could not see. She had been restless for hours. He had woken twice to the sound of her turning sharply, as if fleeing something in a dream.

David sat up and listened to her breathing.
He made a decision with the steady calm that had carried him through other uncertain mornings. She needed rest. He would make a light breakfast outside.

He stepped out into the early light. The forest was quiet. The air felt cool and clean. He gathered some fruit from their basket and boiled water over a small fire, keeping his movements slow so the morning would remain quiet.

Coffee and a warm breakfast would help her feel better. When he returned to the hut, Renate was sitting upright in bed. Her cheeks were flushed a bright red. Her eyes were open but unfocused.

David set the bowl of sliced fruit and toasted bread down and knelt beside her. “You okay?”

Renate blinked. “I think so.”

“You were restless all night,” he said. “And, you have a fever.”

She touched her forehead as if confirming the truth of his words.
Her fingers trembled slightly.

David placed his hand against her skin.
The warmth was unmistakable.

“We stay here today,” he said. “No work. No cave. You need to rest.”

Renate nodded, though her eyes drifted toward the far wall of the hut as if something waited there.

David watched her carefully.
“What did you dream.”

Renate closed her eyes. Her breath slowed. Her voice softened.

“The cave revealed secrets,” she said. “All kinds of secrets. The island. The past. The people who came before us. It showed everything at once. It felt real.”

David waited.

Renate opened her eyes again. Confusion flickered across her face.

“I cannot tell if it was a dream,” she whispered. “Or if the cave truly spoke.”

* * *

The far off stare in Renate’s eyes concerned David. He decided not to disturb her and left to check on the coffee water.

Renate spoke to herself as if she was trying to persuade someone else that what she felt was real. “The fever moves through me like a tide. I feel its heat in my chest and behind my eyes. The dream felt clear. The cave opened itself. The walls breathed. The constellations moved. The figure of memory stood before me and spoke with a voice that carried the weight of centuries.”

She heard a voice. “But dreams can carry weight too. Fever can shape visions. Fever can create worlds.”

“Did the island speak? Or did my mind reach for meaning in the darkness? I remember the warmth of the chamber. I remember the pulse of the vine, the figure raising its hand, a spiral of light.

Yet, the memory feels thin at the edges. It feels like something I grasped in the dark. When I try to hold it, it slips away.

If the island truly revealed its secrets, why do they fade when I open my eyes. If the dream was only fever, why does my arm still feel warm where the vine glows.

I cannot tell where memory ends and imagination begins, or where the island ends and I begin.”

* * *

David entered with the rest of breakfast and set up the table. “Come, eat. You’ll feel better.”

Renate looked at David again. Her voice steadied.

“I dreamed the cave revealed everything,” she said. “But I cannot tell if it was real or a fever dream.”

David brushed a strand of hair from her face.
“Let’s stay here,” he said. “We let your body rest and your mind settle. The island will wait.”

Renate leaned back against the pillows. The fever pulsed through her, hot and insistent. The dream pulsed with it. She closed her eyes. The chamber of memory flickered behind them. She wondered, which world she would return to when the fever broke.

99 responses to “The Island 28”

  1. Was it real or just a dream?
    The island speaking to her?
    Renate can be thankful that Dr. Anthony Fauci isn’t on the island to impart medical advice to her.
    If Renate died, Dr. Fauci would be invoking the island equivalent of the U.S. 5th Amendment.

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    1. Hopefully she did not drink bleach.

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      1. Oh gods below! I’m glad the island has banned the recent Gov treatment protocols. Otherwise, Renate will have a long recovery. ❤️‍🩹

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        1. Renate would have a very long recovery indeed.

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          1. Ivermectin and bleach will cure everything. But, the price will go up.

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    2. I’m pretty sure if the current government medical and health agencies began taking care of the island, Poseidon would have to take it back to save it.

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      1. He would.
        He’d have to cut back on his activities making out with sea nymphs.

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        1. Gosh, giving up nymphs is a very hard withdrawal.

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  2. It seems the extreme aberrations confronted in the cave have taken its toll on the heroine. I think the only cure is a lot of frolicking on the beach , pear wine, skinny dipping, and snorkeling 🤿 will bring back her usual adventurous nature. Maybe a luau would be good for both of them. Just sayin’.

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    1. LOL! I totally agree and so do R&D. The island has approved and given them the executive suite. It’s FROLIC TIME! Stay tuned, I think the fun letter is about to peg.

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      1. Fabulous news. Hopefully David will invite Poseidon and the sea nymphs. Let’s get this party started 🎊🎈🏝️

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        1. This going to be a great party. 🏝️🛖🔥🥂🍾👯‍♀️👯‍♂️🧑‍🩰💃🕺

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          1. I hope Renate can find something chic to wear. Maybe Resa can whip something up for her. 😘🧜🏽‍♀️🧵

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            1. An island themed art gown would raise the luau to legendary status.

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              1. Otherwise it’s coconut halves and grass skirts. That doesn’t sound half bad.

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                1. I kinda like the coconut halves and grass skirt vibe. Nothing brings on the beauty of the Island people than a grass skirt and coconut top hula dance. I don’t remember what the men wear. I wonder if a coconut half on a string would work?

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                  1. I hope not. 🤭

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                    1. I can imagine all kinds of new memes and jokes coming out of an attempt to repurpose coconut shells for men’s wear. 😳🤨🤣

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  3. Wow… Part 2 is starting out like the day after an acid (LSD) trip. I am experienced.

    Okay… this is intriguing. Thanks Dan!

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    1. It does seem like the next day after an LSD trip. I’m sure after the wild AI wardrobe adventures for Renate, it would be disconcerting to think it was all a dream. Or was it?

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      1. Hmm..

        Hahahaha! AI on LSD l… Sorry, that just popped into my head.

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        1. Waaa haaa Haaa! Do you have head elves too? They definitely resent being sidelined by AI.

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          1. What a crazy time. Where ARE we going?

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            1. I sometimes think we are going in the WRONG direction. But then, I realize, we are going in the direction we chose. Not unanimously, which means we did it democratically.

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                1. I’m searching for a way to cope. I really think getting out in nature and going for relaxing little outings will help me remain cheerful, thrifty, brave, clean, and reverent. Other opinions may vary.

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                  1. Nature works!
                    The arts work.
                    Creativity in approaching life works.
                    Of course no matter what we do orange fogs keep returning. So yes… coping via any decent means is the way.

                    Of course I am speaking with a voice from a person who lives in a first world country.
                    My thoughts, means of coping, would be very different if I lived say… in Gaza… or Ukraine… or Nigeria ..or .. well, you get it!

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                    1. Definitely. I have lived in war torn countries before and we really have a lot to be thankful for. In Africa and other places, people are “disappeared” for the sin of existing and no one would ever believe me If I mentioned the numbers of people killed for having a desire to be free of tyranny. In the Balkans you could smell the mass graves at 5000 feet altitude in a helicopter with the doors open. The entire country smelled of death. We uncovered one grave with over 7000 bodies. These graves were found outside every village. When your thoughts can get you killed, you develop a way of life never seen before in our lands in modern times. It’s perfectly fine not to think about it. But, it is a grave error not to prevent it.

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                    2. Agree..
                      I know you have seen horrors I’ve never seen. You have spoken of this.

                      This is what The Island is about, to me.
                      It’s the showing of a building of life. (not the destruction, eking, coping or fleeing from it)

                      Knowing just a smidge of your past makes this story ever more so relevant.
                      Thank you, Dan!

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                    3. My recommendation is that no one should see that aspect of humanity. We should look away and not join in. It’s a strange thing about us, we cause and then endure such horrific things and when it’s over, we can’t wait to do it again. I came home a drastically different person with views of things I never dreamed of before. In a way, it was transformational. I now see things for what they really are, which doesn’t allow me the comfort of having an ideology or joining a cause. It does let me make fun of all our collective idiosyncrasies. Being fully eccentric also helps.

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                    4. I have not seen what you have. I can’t imagine. From what I have seen… ( military oppression in S. America when I was stuck there for a year) I came home devoid of ideology.

                      It’s not a cause really, but at this point if your orange blight invaded Canada, I would do what I need to, to fight back.

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                    5. The orange blight. I like that. Can I use that? Millions of Americans want to immigrate to Canada, but the Canadian government is a bit leery of a mass migration from the southern border. (Sounds familiar, doesn’t it?) I do get you regarding ideologies. One seeks to oppress and another seeks violence to liberate. Ideologies are the root of all failed philosophies and dictators. While the whole world draws battle lines about whether women with male genitalia should be allowed to play in women’s sports, the earth is preparing to stomp the daylight out of our mushmellon minds. If only we could focus and prioritize. 🧐

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                    6. Feel free to blight away!
                      Here’s a new crazy. Canada says you can immigrate easily if you have ancestors that were born Canadian. You have to be able to prove it, of course.

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                    7. OH, I’m in luck. My step mother was Canadian. She and my Dad visited her family often in Canada. I was already grown and out of the house when they married. Her daughter still lives in the states. Maybe I can get the family info from her.

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                    8. Maybe… Step mom may not count. But it would be cool too know.

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                    9. Oh darn. I thought I had my season ticket all worked out. I’ll ask for asylum because I’m fleeing the orange blight. IN all seriousness, I’ve always wanted to explore Canada’s amazing forests and lakes.

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                    10. Well, hurry up! The north appears to be burning down. Of course climate change has nothing to do with it.

                      Fact- Ontario (the province I live in) has over 250,000 fresh water lakes. That’s about 1/5 of the planet’s surface fresh water.

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                    11. Being a Floridian Pisces, I am mostly an aquatic being. Ontario sounds like the right place to be for me. Those wildfires are bugging everybody. We should petition the Great Orange Orifice to find a way to put fires out instead of starting them.

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                    12. OR ..hey, toss him in!
                      I’m sure the fires would retreat rather than burning orange algae.

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                    13. LOL! It’s a win-win. Either the orange blight is eliminated or the fires are eliminated. My head elves are trying to tell me that the fires, which appear orange in the distance, may be the same malevolent spiritual element as the orange blight in which case we need a real priest to do an exorcism instead of a prosperity evangelical charletan that will demand millions in donations before they beseech the heavens to pour down a solution.

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  4. I agree that a hot bath and shampoo are in order. For both.

    Now, I must have forgotten that, but where did they get coffee?

    (Hopping on to the next chapt.

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    1. Aha! In the early stages of their arrival, they relied heavily on their supplies on the sailboat. But as those supplies dwindle, they have to turn more to what the island provides. Instead of the usual shipwreck, I gave them a soft landing.

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      1. Well soap can be made from grease if I remember my chemistry days… From lard maybe? not sure…
        And yes, you’ve been soft on them. 👍🏻

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        1. Indeed, soap can be made from seed oils of any kind, rendered fat of any kind, and ash or lye. My great grandmother made soap from lard, and crushed limestone rock that was ashed on a hot fire (forced air like a kiln.) she added wild collected plants for skin care. She made soap with fine grained sand for scrubbing. She was born in the 1860s before shopping malls were invented and had grown up being very resourceful. It didn’t make sense to her to buy soap when she had everything she needed right there on the farm. By the time I came around, my parents were spoiled and we had store bought soap, TV dinners, and canned vegetables. I still preferred great grandma’s cooking.

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          1. Born around the Civil War… She must have been quite a character… (I just thought of GrandMa Duck all of a sudden…)
            (And I bet her cooking was out of this world…)

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            1. She was well known for her sunny personality and her folklore knowledge and nobody could master her ability to use an old cast iron wood burning stove to make cornbread and biscuits. She was just a young child when they moved to Florida from Nebraska in a covered wagon. She could tell some real stories of wild America and Indian raids when we were tiny rug rats.

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              1. That is a rare case of cultural transmission. Not all the time can “rug rats” listen to such old tales… A precious legacy, Dan.

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                1. I was incredibly fortunate to be a part of a large and noble family while they still lived.

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                  1. Yes, you were. Have you written those stories in one document for your family?

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                    1. Fortunate for me, I have a collection of personal journals of my ancestors along with several published books about their exploits. I suppose my son will receive it all as my siblings and other children are gobsmacked that I would waste precious consciousness on genealogy. It’s strangely fascinating to me, especially the mysteries of DNA. Using what we know about DNA we have traced DNA back to its origins 35 billion years in the past. Stranger still is earth is estimated to be about 13 billion years old and life on the planet about 4.5 billion years old. So, the original protein codes for all life on the planet originated in space long before life appeared on earth and longer still before humans began throwing their cigarette butts on the ground. Two things had to exist before we stumbled upon them; chemistry, and geometry. Geometry is the language of the universe and chemistry is its life force. Physics, in all its forms, belong to the deities. Physics are the result of chemistry and geometry at work. This is highly debatable among the poorly informed.

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                    2. Have you read all those journals? They’re manuscript I imagine?

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                    3. Yes, I have and they are written by hand by the family member or as a biography by a brother or sister. This was a normal tradition. Surprisingly the writers were very well educated and the writing is clear and of excellent quality. Some of the stories are heart rendering but also speak of great accomplishments. In one journal of my forefathers experiences in the Revolutionary War, I find he was a devoted subject of the Crown but when the English Crown sought to enslave him, he fought against them. He was one of the very rare soldiers that enlisted 4 times. An enlistment was for one year minus the late Fall and Winter. Many never returned after their first enlistment but he fought the entire 4 years. He was called to testify at his Commander’s court martial. The Captain’s sin was he lost a significant battle. My forefather testified to the brutal conditions, lack of support, and lack of supplies. He testified the Captain led the assault and defense and that in the end they had nothing but their fists and knives to hold their positions against muskets overrunning their positions. So to preserve their lives, the Captain ordered them to retire from the field to regroup. When he was asked why he enlisted 4 times which by the court’s view was suspicious, he replied, “I fought for my country’s freedom.” This alone gave me the courage to stand my ground in overwhelming odds for my forefather’s concept of genuine Freedom from tyranny 220 years later and on until my end of service 21 years later. If I had not been a direct descendent of the man whose graveside I’ve stood at on the family farm many times, I would not have been so affected by his short and simple reply. The Scribe was a Colonel of the first standing Army in the United States.

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                    4. A wonderful story, Dan. Going back to the origins of “America”. Have you transcribed those journals? I mean in electronic form?
                      As an aside, AI can probably help you “read” the longhand… I’ve done some experiments, and it works…
                      What was your ancestor’s name?

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                    5. I do have an amazing lineage. Probably because I had nothing to do with it so, it didn’t get screwed up. Charles Hinson was my ancestor whose testimony was recorded at his commander’s courts martial. His father also fought along side his son. Going back a little further and explaining a little about their devotion to England, another ancestor was First King Brutus ap Silvius of Britain born in 1144 BCE and Queen Ignoge ferch Pandrasus de Greece. Brutus was credited with being the first King of Britain and founding London. Much of his story is just myth only to be regarded as folklore. But he was a real person and was descendent of other well documented lineage which I was able to trace back. It’s a bit comical that many ancestors are more mythology than real at times which, teaches me that our ancestors had vivid imaginations. Picking out the truth is laborious at times.

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                    6. Charles Hinson. I’ll remember his name. You have quite a lineage. I bow to you…
                      I seem to remember the name “Hinson”. Instagram was telling me I might know you… 😉 (Can you imagine how tied up every connection is in this crazy world…)
                      Cheers Dan.

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                    7. Ha ha Ha! We gave up all pretense of noble virtue and stuck to farming when we made it to the promised land. Eventually, we learned which end the mule to plow behind. I’ve found that we are all the children of only 7 families so we aren’t related to everybody but we are related to more people than we realize. We should treat each other more nicely.

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                    8. Oh yes. Treating others nice should come back. Eventually.

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                    9. Or, we could continue this King of the Hill competition until all challengers are vanquished. I’m just too lazy to run up the hill anymore. Let the young and foolish try to knock those old geezers off the pedestal.

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                    10. Not that sure you’re lazy. But I understand the tendency to let the younguns do the hard work now. (A thing my wife doesn’t understand, when we have the whole family at home or at the country house. She still wants to do everything like they were 10 yo).
                      As for me, I’ve taught my grandson, little G, 10yo to uncork the wine bottle… Which he loves doing. (But no drinkin’ yet…)
                      Be good, Dan

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                    11. Oh, I get that matriarchal desire to feed the ever growing family. My wife tries but has finally admitted defeat. The daughters stepped up for a couple of years and then confessed it was too stressful and quit. I think you have the right approach. Teach the boys how to do manly things while young and they will be professionally skilled by adulthood. While my parents had strict codes of conduct when I was growing up, my grandparents taught me how to be an accomplished consumer of coffee, bourbon, and scotch by the time I was 10. While I remained well disciplined in the consumption of adult beverages, the real enemy, soda pop, was taking over my life. On a hot summer day, a glass of ice cold soda pop was my addiction.

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                    12. Scotch at 10? hmmm. Those were the same grandparents that put you behind that mule with no advance warning?
                      Soda pop is rather bad for your health. (Cok’Cola -as they say in ‘Atlan’na- was a major client of mine for many years…)

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                    13. Indeed my maternal grandfather was of Scottish ancestry and he believed a wee dram per day was the only medicine one needed. He lived to 103 and had total recall of every second of his life so I naturally followed in his footsteps. It was my Father, being 8th generation farmer turned city boy, who wanted me to learn mule handling at age 5. Everything went very well except I failed to react fast enough to his careful instructions and I finally learned why country people used the expression, “fart like a mule.”

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                    14. So it was your father. Duly noted…

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                    15. Yes, my father was a product of the Great Depression and the Korean War. He believed one must be entirely self reliant. So, here I am, a product of rock-n-roll music and the age of the hamburger and milkshake appearing to be a useless grocery hound. He spent his life trying to teach me and my siblings self reliance starting at an early age.

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                    16. Self reliance is fundamental. Your father did well…

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                    17. When I lived in Germany, I was perplexed at first by their philosophy of live day by day without any preparation for tomorrow. Even when I went on winter hikes the Germans often wore regular street shoes and barely any clothing to protect against the wet cold. They made fun of me for wearing outdoor clothing to protect me from the elements. I asked why they were reluctant to prepare and the reply was help is only a few minutes away not matter where you go. This helped me understand a lot about their lifestyle and their defense strategy for their nation. I certainly enjoyed their café culture and made good use of the art of relaxing and eating good food with friends.

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                    18. That answers my question about where you were. (When?)
                      Help is a few minutes away? Hmmm. I worked with Germans a lot during the 80’s,, they were normally very dependable and well prepared.
                      I climbed MOnt-Blanc with a german friend, and he was very well prepared. (The top-notch mountain equipment was supplied by our Italian colleague… We were a true Babel tower…
                      Now, if your experience was in the 80’s, that was before the re.unification. Right now, it seems Germans are hurrying up…

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                    19. Ah, we have another thing in common. I taught American and German Special Forces small unit technical mountain climbing. The Germans were very advanced in their mountain skills. Our Army Rangers and Green Berets had training experience but technical climbing on ropes and pitons wasn’t something they grew up with. Later, the US military stood up the 10th Mountain Division to establish a light infantry capability in high altitude rugged terrain. The WWII northern Italy campaign taught us how important a well trained mountain force is to the strategic game.

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                    20. Indeed we do. Training is critical.
                      Have you read my post (written with my Mate, Dave Phillipps) ‘The White Mountain’?

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                    21. I don’t remember that particular post offhand. I’ll look for it.

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                    22. Thank you, Brian.

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                    23. PS. What branch did you serve? Army was it?

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                    24. Yes, I served in the Army. My maternal grandfather, father, and older brother were Navy veterans. I chose an easier life as a muddy ditch dweller.

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                    25. Haha! Not sure the Army is easier.
                      I was Army too, and remember many, many miles of hard walking loaded with tons of gear. I might have mentioned it before, I was 81mm mortar group chief. (Basic corporal…)

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                    26. Holy Smokes, Brian! I was a crewman on the 60mm mortar. We were supposed to be able to fire from the back of our Armored personnel carrier modified with a roof hatch. But, the dismounted infantry wanted us to hump our mortars and ammo on our backs. Being tall but only 155 pounds, I got to carry the base plate. Our NCO sighted and fired the mortar, the corporal got to drop the rounds and I fused and stacked the rounds. I had to learn every job and the Sergeant hated me with a passion because I could sight the mortar in seconds having spent a lot of my young civilian life using the old spirit level transits and theodolites. I was also very good at geometry and trigonometry so I understood the mission and the sergeant had a hard time spelling or understanding anything that wasn’t related to alcohol by volume. Later, I reclassified into a job that didn’t wear out my back, knees, and ears.

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                    27. Well, well, well… Such coincidence! The 81 is very similar just much heavier… After a year of training and maneuvers, my team and I had become quite expert at firing the thing. Made big holes on the hill over there yonder…
                      Glad you reclassified. How nice, I finally found someone who can relate to my mortar experience! Fantastic…
                      (And yes, trigo and geometry helped a lot with sighting…)

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                    28. I know the 81 is still in service but I’m not sure about the 60. Before I left the service we had gone from calculating target reference points and shots by hand on a paper map to everything automated. The only thing they have to do now was dial in the firing solution and drop the rounds down the tube. The US wanted to get rid of Heavy tanks and artillery and go with the Air Force as the principal solution. They are trying that now in Iran and it isn’t going so well.

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                    29. The 60 was very well used by the Viet Minh and Viet Cong. They used it at Dien Bien Phu to capture the entire French Army back in ’54.
                      There is a permanent illusion in some circles that you bomb everything and they surrender. It was tried extensively in WII over Europe. They didn’t surrender. ‘Had to send the Army across the Channel. And the Germans fought back all the way until the last building in Berlin.
                      So as you say, it ain’t goin’ too well…

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                    30. Very true. A lot of my fellow veterans who served in Vietnam and especially those who survived the siege of Khe Sanh often talk about how effective the North was with their artillery.

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                    31. Khe San now? Words and names coming out of old history… Who knows that nave now? Only a few “old-timers” like you and I…

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                    32. Even when the unaware google it, the story makes no sense to them. Why did America set up in a valley and invite the Northern Viet tribes to shell the crap out of them? There are many answers but few hold up to scrutiny. To be honest, it’s what we do to give the underdogs a fighting chance. I mean, we must be fair about colonizing indigenous peoples.

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                    33. I love the coincidence. As I was looking for the 81mm on the ‘Net, I found the French Army site. Apparently they’re still using it. Weird in an age of drones, no?

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                    34. I think we are in that period similar to when the Muslims widely adopted the musket and canon while Europe still relied on armored knights with big swords and archers. Recently, this year, the US Army conducted large tank assaults in a NATO exercise that had Ukrainian drone operators acting as the opposing force. The Ukrainians “wiped out” an entire US armored regiment in just a few hours. What is surprising is the US has been working on drone development for 45 years and has only produced a few drones used for reconnaissance and intel collection. The one attack drone produced cost millions of $$$ and was easily hacked electronically or shot down. The West’s reliance on WWII concepts within the NATO defense strategy, has proven impossible to sustain while Ukraine builds new drones from commercial parts on the front lines in bunker factories keeping the operators continuously supplied. I do think countries like Iran that have extensive drone and missile capability are proving how resilient they can be on a budget.

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                    35. Totally agree. I also suspect arms manufacturers prefer to sell a multi-million drone a piece rather that a 1,000$ one… (I wonder why that would be? 😉)
                      I’ve read about that exercise. I don’t think anybody wants to draw conclusions.
                      A coupla years back France’s Macron was so proud to announce that the French Army was “training” Ukrainian troops. LOL.
                      Having said that, it seems the UK and Germany have signed partnership agreements with Ukraine for joint developments… We’ll see.
                      Meanwhile:
                      Slava Ukrainy.
                      (If I may be so bold?)

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                    36. The Defense industry has long ago figured out how to let the government dictate the terms of a contract and then use that contract to extract trillions of taxpayer funds only for the government to realize they screwed up and then cancel the program and start a new one. When one starts mathing the math, The entire NATO alliance cannot meet Ukraine’s supply and equipment expenditure rate required to defeat the Russians. While the US batters their brains out on the bedrock of Iran and muscles up against China, they can’t meet the bare minimum of support to NATO. This is the moment in History where The NATO alliance and the Western world are the most vulnerable and Russia/China/Iran/North Korea could completely defeat the West via bankruptcy if they are willing to pay the price and fight the long fight.

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                    37. We (NATO) jus can’t manufacture the ammo needed. The “famed” French Caesat cannon can only cover sthg like 50miles front. We (France) have about 15 Cannons. How much border can we “cover”? 😉

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                    38. The Ukrainians have shown us what works and what does not in a high intensity conflict like NATO will face very soon. The failures are spectacular and impossible to ignore as well as their late coming strategic victories. The situation is very unique for Ukraine. While I don’t think Russia alone can do any better against NATO even without US support, The fact glaring NATO in the face is Russia can and will take a sizable chunk of Eastern Europe and push through Russian Friendly countries like Hungary, Slovenia, Austria (via its neutrality), and Serbia, perhaps even Bulgaria. A salient through these counties into the heart of Europe while holding the eastern front would collapse Europe/NATO’s defensive cohesion and Russia, with help from China and North Korea, could get back most of the old countries of the Soviet Union via a peace settlement. The question is not will Russia achieve these goals, but more will Russia survive as a country while attempting to take and hold these countries. NATO countries are barely able to muster enough people and serviceable equipment to meet such a threat. But the real test is if the people have the will to face the sacrifices needed to stop this scenario from becoming a reality.

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                    39. I could not agree more. Even logistics in Europe, such as rail distance and tunnels makes sending troops and equipment East take a month!
                      But meanwhile, it is a matter or Will. As I read the French presse, I suspect only the Balts and the Poles would fight. The countries, starting with France would say:
                      “Well, you’re very bad boys but if you promise to take only Czechoclovakia, then we’re fine. But you do promise that, Adolf?” (I mean Vlad.) (The impaler). “Can we have it in writing?”
                      🙄

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                    40. I can certainly see that conversation unfolding just as you have written it. I had the inglorious honor of being assigned to UN/NATO operations and the European troops were so ineffective it was frightening to rely on them for anything. Poland knows they are the only Army that can hold the line and have poured a lot of sweat and national treasure into preparing for the inevitable Russian Peace campaign.

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                    41. So you were stationed in Europe? Germany? When was that? During the Pershing crisis?

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                    42. I was there in the early 80s. The Pershing II missile angst was beginning to show up as protests. We had the Bader Meinhoffs and Red Army Faction bombings on US installations and other mischief going on at the time. I was also there when Chernobyl burned. Those were exciting times.

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                    43. All right. We were in parallel lines. I was in the defence industry, first half of the 80’s. Lots of retired military working as advisors… I remember Mitterrand and Kohl facing up to the SS-20’s.
                      I also remember going to a Defence industry fair in Germany, with protesters stopping the car, wearing Halloween masks looking through the window and calling us: “Killers…”

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                    44. Those were the good ole days, weren’t they? Aside from the political troubles of the 80s when the Cold War was secretly quite hot, we could still enjoy a lot of the best Europe had to offer. The world is changing rapidly and it doesn’t appear the 80 years of alliance and mutual support will continue, even in the face of existential threats.

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                    45. Oh yes, the 80’s were very secretly “hot” just before the collapse of the Wall and CCCP.
                      As for mutual support… I still think it will come back. I don’t see Europe making an alliance with China. And eventually the US, will need friends again… 🤞🏻

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                    46. I think after 2028, regardless of which party wins, a wee bit of common sense will return and things will creep back into a more useful alliance. There is money to be made by all the world’s oligarchs and they will find a way to bend the arms of the politicians to their will.

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                    47. Hopefully. But I don’t like the tone Reps are using, basically calling all their political opponents, “ennemies” bent on “destroying” America. When and if the Opposition comes back in power, how will Reps accept working with them?

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                    48. Yes, we have the same rhetoric on the left and the left has mastered all the punitive messaging techniques and there doesn’t seem to be a bottom to the efforts used on both sides to defame, demoralize, and cancel each other. Normal people who just want to live a nice quiet life are bulldozed under the pile of steaming poo the two sides are slinging at each other. The one thing you can count on in a geopolitical message founded in a political ideology is that you are being lied too and if the lie sounds good, go with it, and if it’s not your ideology, condemn it forcefully.

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